This is NOT a spoiler. But merely a theory I just made up after too much contemplation on the season premiere of Fringe.
Yay! Fringe is back. And so do I.
Here’s my first big theory.
In the universe where Peter is not existing (or what majority of the people thinks he died as a young boy and never existed as “adult” Peter)… David Robert Jones is alive and kicking.
How? Remember this?
But of course, you do. That scene is in the finale of Season 1. Yes, Peter switched on the plug and therefore slice the poor Jones into half. And if he is not there to press the button… Jones could have successfully crossed over to the other side and meet William Bell.
… And because we all know William Bell is played by Leonard Nimoy, who is already retired and unlikely to appear in our screen (I doubt even with power of technology…). I will say, Jones could have killed him off.
So now, a cool twist will be is that the new breed of bio-organic human-hybrids (or simply Shapeshifters) are created and developed by Jones and not by Secretary Bishop (for goodness sake, please do not blame him for everything!)
What do you guys think?
My friends and I were thinking the same thing, with a third and new party controlling the new shifters. Totally forgot about our boy David Robert Jones though! Makes lots of sense actually.
Now I’m trying to think of what key things Peter did in previous seasons that would be altered now…
This also plays into the Idea that we will see similar events occurring like in previous seasons, but with different outcomes and consequences…
I think it would be a cool idea for D.R. Jones to have created the new shape-shifters. I’d love to see his character back. I am a fan of Jared Harris. He was great while in his stint with Mad Men and I can’t wait to see him as Moriarty in the next Sherlock Holmes movie.
maybe it’s ALTERNATE Jones who is either working for OUR Nina or ALTER Nina….?
Very plausible theory, Xerophytes. I could definitely see this happening. Makes you wonder what else is different.
I like the theory, but “bio-organic” could just be “organic”. So they’re an organic-organic hybrid? Were the new shapeshifter “boxes” organic? If not, doesn’t that make them cyborgs?
I love this theory, and, in fact, I have considered it myself before. However, here’s my problem; the producers have promised that in this timeline, the past three years have happened but that they have just happened without Peter, and I have, in the past, listed a few episodes that couldn’t have possibly happened without Peter. “What Lies Below” (2.12), “The Man from the Other Side” (2.18), “Northwest Passage” (2.20), and “Reciprocity” (3.11) are all examples of episodes that couldn’t have possibly happened, and some episodes, while the frame may have been the same, would have had completely different outcomes, such as “Unearthed” (1.21), the episode that was cut from season 1. My point, however, is that if Peter did not kill Jones and Jones therefore was successful in killing Bell, think of the domino effect that would result. Bell would not have pulled Olivia from the Blueverse into the Redverse, which means that it’s not as likely that a Shapeshifter would have killed Charlie to get close to Olivia in order to find out with whom she spoke in the Redverse and what was said to her, and so forth, and this could have had a massive effect on the story as we know it, since “Momentum Deferred” (2.04), for example, wouldn’t have happened. I’m not disqualifying your theory, because I do happen to agree with it (and I do hope that it’s true because Jones was dismissed as if he weren’t significant at all, and so was ZFT); all I’m saying is that if it is the case, the producers need to reconsider their notion that mostly everything has been the same, as it couldn’t possibly have been, even if Jones is dead.
Yes. Events in the past happened. But the outcome or events played out differently.
Taking Peter out of the equation WILL change things.
Bell could have been pulled Olivia by the end of Season 1. And after the meeting, Bell could have been slayed by David Robert Jones. It does not necessarily have to be Jones killed Bell before meeting Olivia.
You’re right; however, either way, the latter half of season 3 couldn’t have possibly happened, either. If Jones killed Bell, then Bell never used Olivia as a soul magnet, so “Lysergic Acid Diethylamide” (3.19) couldn’t have happened, either, and now that it comes to mind, “Bloodline” (3.18) is yet another episode that couldn’t have happened because that episode is focused solely on the other Olivia’s pregnancy, which we know didn’t happen, so there are many episodes that didn’t happen at all and some that had very different outcomes, which, in my book, means that the past three years didn’t happen. I understand that these “versions” of the characters weren’t “born” at the end of the season 3 finale, but some of them have lived completely different lives, like Olivia, for example. Having killed her stepfather, her childhood and teenage years must have been wildly different. Walter has lived a completely different life, and if Elizabeth still ended hers, it was for a different reason. So, do you see what I mean? The Fringe team may have encountered similar threats, for the most part, but there is much that didn’t happen, and the three years of which we are all aware did not happen. They happened very differently and without a key character, which, to me, means that they didn’t happen.
Two words: Time Paradox.
Have to understand that things DID exist, DID happened, but in a different timeline, different situation. Applicable to multiverse theory.
Not everything is linear.
Granted, if he had still had that meeting with Olivia, then perhaps, he still used her as a soul magnet, since he had died in the season 2 finale, so he simply would have died earlier than sooner, but still, think of how different the last few episodes of season 2 would have been. We don’t know the circumstances regarding Olivia’s abduction, but I think that she was still held captive in the Redverse; either way, though, as I have said, “Northwest Passage” didn’t happen at all, and “Over There” would have been totally and completely different, and if they did go over there at all, it would have had a completely different outcome since they wouldn’t have had Bell to sacrifice himself for them.
Well. We never really know. I don’t know coz I don’t write for the shows, the details and circumstances, for me… is not that important. It just have to be understood that things are different now. Whether they will flesh out the history of Peter-less timeline or not, that’s the writers’ discretion.
But with the outcry of “Bring Peter back”, I doubt.
If only Fringe is a novel, it can probably flesh out everything. But sadly, its a television show which requires ratings.
– Olivia and the team could have gone to the other side for a different reason. (Hey, how about trying to save William Bell? – Jones could probably still after him by end of S2 – Bell could have sacrificed himself still)
– Olivia could have gone to the other side alone… accidentally… she have been able to do that. And then caught. Impersonation.
– Olivia could have been kidnapped by shapeshifters.
No idea. But lots of possibilities.