Seriously, the above title is accurate but doesn’t it feel like we are starting anew? With the return of Peter Bishop to the show it feels as though we are beginning a new phase of this season. Couple this with the World Series induced hiatus and this part of the series might be aptly titled season 4.5.
And don’t let is be said that Fox doesn’t have a sense of humor about this layoff also. If you missed the recent promo explaining Fringe’s absence I’ve included it below. But what I would really like to discuss in advance of Friday’s new episode, “Novation” is what everyone’s expectations are.
Now that Peter is back what do you want to see? Before you answer that question let me add this; even though Peter is back and apparently no one knows who he is, is that a compelling enough dynamic to move the story along? Will the series devolve into a police procedural until Peter earns everyone’s trust? Is that enough to secure your interest and or add new viewers to the show?
Following that line, here’s the biggest question of them all, shouldn’t the focus be put squarely on the Observers? Ironically, the characters with the least screen time hold the answers to the biggest questions.
So let’s address a few topics and please feel free to add your own
- The Observers – They started everything with Peters rescue and survival then caused him to disappear and now apparently allowed him to come back.
- The Shape shifters – What is their purpose? Should they become a focal point of the show? Do they have a connection to the Observers?
- Walternate – Where is the mastermind of the Red Universe? Is he the master puppeteer?
- Walter – He may not believe Peter is his son, will his moral compass spin wildly out of control at Peter’s insistence that he is his “son”?
- Olivia and the family dynamic. Will she see Peter as a harmful influence on Walter? How will this effect her budding relationship with Lincoln Lee?
OK, enough of my random thoughts. What are yours? What are your expectations and what do you want to see? Peter had to come back so where does this take us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RvS75gKj9g
(I’ll tell you one thing I’d love to see, Peter meeting Walternate in the “Bridge Room” at the end of some episode and have Walternate look at him square in the eye and say, “Hello son”. Whoa, how does he know who he is?!!)
Great piece, as per usual!
Okay… So my expectations from this point forward:
1) Walternate – I am really hoping that the complete lack of Walternate thus far has been intentional and with purpose. He is the only red-verse character who would’ve been affected by no Peter since ’85 which sets him apart from the other red-versers we’ve seen thus far. Personally I feel this could allow endless possibilities for the state of his character in this new timeline.
2) Olivia – In “Subject 9” we find out that Olivia a) hasn’t met any other Cortexiphan kids until now and more importantly b) hasn’t really suffered from any side effects (for lack of a better phrase) from the trials. In season one when David Robert Jones urges her to turn the light grid on, Peter is standing behind her. From that point on, it was apparent that Peter helps Olivia as far as her Cortexiphan abilities are concerned. I’m hoping, Peter’s return allows us to delve into this.
3) Lastly, and broader, I’m hoping the next few episodes don’t end up being redundant. I’d hate to see a lot of repeated developments due to nobody knowing who Peter is at this point. I love a good call back as much as the next person. Tying in past episodes / seasons is great… BUT I really hope this doesn’t mean we get what we’ve already had from this show. I have faith in the writers, and I’d never give up on the show, but I don’t want them to lose their way.
Well, Sarah, “as per usual” we are on the same page. It must be our shared passion for baseball, beer and Fringe.
I’ll address your points in order…
1. Gawd I hope Walternate turns out to be the “big bad” this season; the ultimate puppeteer. It would be a shame if they defanged him. He’s calculating and devious and he has his “Darth Maul” subordinate in Brandonate. You can’t waste such great characters. Good shout on the endless possibilities.
2. You’re referencing one of my favorite Fringe episodes, “Ability”. It is and always will be on my ipod. What if Olivia’s latent ability spins out of control because of Peter? Her lack of experience with her abilities may prove disastrous (I hope).
3. Your last point is a trap I hope they avoid. We don’t have to go all the way back do we? I’m hoping Peter’s knowledge of the Shape-shifters makes him the new golden boy of the Fringe division. It may even reveal his darker side. (I hope again).
I feel sorry for Peter. This is the third version of Olivia he will have to deal with. I’m taking it on faith the show will somehow work things out in a way that neither the three years of watching the development of Olivia 1 or these recent episodes with Olivia 3 will seem like a waste of tine. (I’m just going with 1,2,3 & 4 for Blueverse, Redverse, Orange timeline & Orange timeline Alt at this point.
I think Peter will unwittingly disrupt the working relationship between Olivia 3 and Walter 3 by exposing Walter. Walter 3 feels very guilty about the cortexifan child experiments. I don’t for one second believe those experiments involved giving the children smaller, safer doses. Olivia 3 escaped being seriously damaged because she left the experiment early. The other children weren’t so lucky. It may even be that because the strongest and most responsive subject (Olivia) left, the other children were subjected to more intense experimentation than in the Blueverse. Any casual mention of the experiment by Peter could reveal this. Olivia will be furious when she learns she has been deceived for years.
Because he didn’t raise Peter, Walter 3 may believe Peter belongs with Walter 4 (the Orange timeline Walternate). It could be a terrible blow to Peter if he feels rejected by the father who had doted on him.
I can’t even guess what other changes Peter’s return will bring.
Lemoneyes, to quote my favorite band, Interpol, “How are things on the west coast?” I’d sing it but we don’t want to go there.
I like your theory on Peter disrupting things for Olivia. I alluded to the same thing with my response to Sarah’s reply above. Although, with a slightly altered perspective. You may be on to something with Walter harboring more secrets about the trials than he is letting on to. In the episode “Subject 9” Walter always seemed to drift morosely away when the trials were brought up. Would you agree that Peter may have an extremely negative effect on Olivia’s latent powers?
It’s ironic that Olivia was spared the trials worst experience by running away. Yet she killed her step father in this time line. She seems rather well adjusted despite that. Will Peter unearth a deep seated psychological trauma?
If Walter rejects the doted upon Peter this may allow Peter to pursue the Shape-shifters with murderous zeal. Even worse than last season. They never did elaborate on that story line. Maybe we will see how that plays out now.
Thanks for the reply!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMJrLMGPSs
My heart will swing if Peter and Olivia finally get back together! 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACCm_4GeoI0&feature=colike
Very thought provoking, to the point that my head hurts.
I have so many questions and it is very unclear as to how the show will answer all of them. I do like how the story is folding back on itself, how things we saw as far back as the begininng of the show are now cast in a new light. But like Lemoneyes said, I’m curious as to how they will procede without negating 3 years of character development and still keep us invested in the current iterations.
Comics aside, what will Peter remember about where he’s been the past few weeks? Clearly he was trying to break through so his ‘arrival’ in the orange timeline was not instantaneous with his disappearance at the bridge.
Is Peter the only 1 who remembers the blue timeline? (besides the observers) Does that timeline still exist? Can he rejoin it? The orange timeline may end up being an “Its a Wonderful Life” type detour that Peter has taken (like his visit to the future) to learn something essential and he will eventually return to the moment he disappeared and rejoin the blue/red timelines.
Does the orange timeline Fringe team have any knowledge of the Observers? Sam Weiss? ZFT? The metal capsule from the Arrival?
Would the red and blue timelines resume if the bridge were destroyed? I have to think that going forward the bridge will be a target for some evil faction, either to control and exploit it or destroy it.
OK, like I said, my brain hurts. Is it Friday yet? -duckyislost
Ducky, sorry about the cranial conundrum. The antidote to Fringe’s mind bending plot lines would be watching Access Hollywood and seeing what Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber are up to.
Stick with Fringe, let’s hope the pain is worth it.
I responded to a post by Xerophytes (I think) by saying that Peter now lives in a world where he is the only one that has memories of a universe that no longer exists. I’d like to see the writers solve that puzzle. And no quantum entanglement please!
Sometimes I wonder if Peter will get a visit from his past or future self that will help him sort out this whole mess. Or, could it be that September will bring a Peter from another dimension to help or replace the current Peter?
Ouch, now my brain hurts.
I’m pretty sure this Orange universe has no knowledge of ZFT or the Observers or Sam. I think it’s been established that each universe needs each other to survive. I think if the bridge is destroyed it would be bad for all. Something like Justin Bieber doing a musical number with Broyles.
The worst part is that we’re only getting another three episodes before we go on a two-month hiatus; ridiculous.
Chris I am pretty sure we are getting four episodes..
* “Novation” – 11-4-2011
* “And Those We’ve Left Behind” – 11-11-2011
* “Wallflower” – 11-18-2011
* “Back to Where You Have Never Been” TBA!
We’ll keep an out out for further developments. The second half of the season should be episode heavy so that is the good news. (And two very important sweep months.)
I absolutely think we should get to know more about the Observers. It’s time we find out at least a couple of things, like how exactly cand and/or do they interfere with timelines, how does this existing at all times and in all places and universes at the same time work, and, most impostant, what is their relation to Peter.
I have this idea in my mind that if the Observers don’t belong to a time or place and Peter was somewhere that’s nowhen and nowhere, they must have interacted somehow. Even if it was just that the Observers could observe him trying to get back.
And I’m really interested by Lemoneyes line of thought, though it makes me anxious that Walter may not recognize Peter as his son, but as Walternate’s.
Can’t wait ’til Friday! :B
Jessica, thanks so much for the reply. The Observers are becoming quite the focal point of consternation aren’t they? I think the Fringe writers have learned that they can’t tease out things forever (See the epic saga of Peter learning the true nature of Walter.) I think it was fellow blogger, Geigercounter, that associated the Observers with the Divine. We’ve seen a lot of Christian allegory in the show yet I remain unconvinced they are that close to God.
Sometimes I think they are some sort of cosmic referees. With Fringe we’ve seen things circle back to the beginning quite often. We even learned the “First People” were actually Walter and his team. It could be that the Observers come from something we’ve already seen yet haven’t tied together. I have one wacky theory that the Shape shifters are the early antecedents of the Observers. Thanks for your thoughts!
(p.s. “nowhen and nowhere”, I like that.)
Oh, I will try to find this post about the Observers and the Divine. But I hope the writers don’t go this direction. I accepted Lost becoming about people and emotions and all that, but Fringe is so ‘sciency’, they just can’t do it…
I’m not sure if I like that the Observers may come from th Shape Shifters, but that’s probably because I don’t like the Shape Shifters. However, it is very logic that we already know their origin, I bet the writers would have a good laugh, like they probably had when explaining the first people…
Dave, I have a theory about how Orange timeline Olivia killed her stepfather yet ended up less damaged than Original Olivia. Orange-Olivia said she killed her stepfather. She didn’t mention shooting him. My theory is that she didn’t shoot him. On the day she set the room on fire (leaving Nick unharmed becaused she liked him) Olivia ran from the day care center to the field of white tulips. In Subject 13 Peter came across her there. As they spoke she calmed/cooled down. Then she returned to the day care.
But in the Orange timeline there was no Peter. Olivia was in that field alone. My theory is Olivia stayed in the field until eventually her stepfather came to find her. When Olivia saw him she felt her usual panic and because she hadn’t been calmed/cooled by Peter that panic set her stepfather on fire. The stepfather burned to death. Olivia killed him but she did it accidentally, not intentionally. She killed him because she couldn’t control her power. Orange-Olivia did not experience the dark emotions that led Original Olivia to deliberately shoot her stepfather.
I like this theory because it makes Peter’s absence the direct cause of the difference in the stepfather’s fate in the two timelines. I also think it explains how Orange-Olivia can be emotionally lighter than Original Olivia even though she killed her stepfather rather than wounding him. In my opinion Orange Olivia telling Orange Altlivia she’d killed her stepfather without explaining she did it accidentally fits perfectly with the emotional relationship they have.
Lemoneyes, just adding one thing: Orange Liv didn’t get those creepy cards on her birthdays. The original timeline Olivia was being watched by her stepfather, and she knew it. Perhaps not having this constant feeling that he could simply show up if he wanted to also contributed to being “emotionally lighter than Original Olivia”, as you said.
Lemoneyes, setting someone afire seems pretty traumatic to me. Perhaps she knows she killed him yet blacked out that visual in her Orange time line memory. Does that sound right to you? Olivia can be so distant sometimes. Remember the time she was eating toast and she told Peter about Mr. X the man who is going to kill her? She was pretty nonchalant about it. Hopefully with Peter’s re-introduction Olivia’s deeper emotions will be explored. Yes?
You want to start getting realistic now? Someone who regrets not committing murder when she was nine is not a well person and probably wouldn’t last long in the FBI. But we’ve been pretending otherwise for three years. What’s your theory of why Orange timeline Olivia killed her stepfather when Original Olivia didn’t? She ran away but that would have separated her from her stepfather and would seem to reduce her opportunities for killing him.
I’ve been wondering if we are dealing with the same Observers. I explained my reasons in a comment on a post a few posts back. Here’s the short version. In previous seasons the Observers have said Peter is important. This season we’re suddenly seeing Observers who don’t think Peter is important. Maybe these Obervers look like the Observers we’ve seen before but are duplicates with different priorities.
Ha, good point. Asking for a modicum of a reality for a show that deals with more than one might be stretching it a bit. But don’t think I’m being dismissive of your theory. I’m just trying to broaden the discussion and expand upon it.
You have made me ponder on that particular instant quite a bit lately. I speak of Olivia running off, the shooting and or immolation of her stepfather as you theorized. Might we also consider when young Olive went back to report the incident to Walter and she inadvertently transported herself to the other dimension and gave the news to Walternate instead leading to his discovery of the Blue universe. Are we sure this did or didn’t happen in this new Orange timeline? If it did it opens a whole new can of worms (shape-shifting worms).
As for your Observer theory; why not??!!! I’d like to think they exist outside any timeline but who knows. They are such a wild card I don’t know what to believe. I do think we should get some answers about them soon.
Keep the feedback coming Lemoneyes I’m glad you are so engaged in this as it makes for incredible conversation.
Personally i think it is genius of the writers and show runners to create this storyline. One of the themes of Fringe is about ‘the choices we make’ and the consequences of these. In the previous timeline (series 1-3) Peter saw what happened as a consequence of the choices that he and everyone else made. Now he has arrived back …and no one knows him ….he again has choices to make.
Im sure that Peter will quickly realise that he is not remembered and that he has arrived back in a different timeline. One where things are similar but not the same. So, what does Peter do?
I think we will see Peter make conscious decisions to reveal only what he thinks Walter, Olivia etc… can handle, understand or need to know. I think we will see a depth of character not revealed to us before. This storyline delivers us the opportunity to see Peter close up and personal. I think we will see him struggle with not being remembered and this will cause him a great deal of frustration, pain and loneliness.
And i think this will add further depth to Peters character. Im sure we will see storylines that are familiar to us …and of course they will be familiar to Peter. And within these, Peter will have prior knowledge. He will know what went on before…..what the results were when choices were previously made by the Fringe team. He has the opportunity to change the outcomes because of his prior knowledge. He can make different choices.
Peter has before him fantastic opportunities to create something better for not only himself, Walter, Olivia etc… but he also has the opportunity to save both worlds.Something which i think was his initial goal …..but his hand was forced.
I think its going to be an awesome season. Just imagine if what has happened to Peter, actually happened to you in your own life. What would you do if given the chance to make different choices?We often hear people say ‘if only’……well now we get to see this on Fringe. Im so excited to see what the writers have in store for us. And i am supremely happy that its Peter who gets to lead the way forward.I know i will struggle along with him on his journey …..but the angst and tears (yes i know im hopeless) will be worth it.
runpaceyrun, I dare say your passion for Fringe (and a certain pea coated gentleman) goes unrivaled. The show has been very much about the choices we make. It has also teased us that fate will play its hand no matter what we do. So how do the Observers fit in to all of this? If we make a choice and they disapprove of the timeline it creates what does that say about our free will? Frustrating!
I like the following paragraph of yours…
“I think we will see Peter make conscious decisions to reveal only what he thinks Walter, Olivia etc… can handle, understand or need to know. I think we will see a depth of character not revealed to us before. This storyline delivers us the opportunity to see Peter close up and personal. I think we will see him struggle with not being remembered and this will cause him a great deal of frustration, pain and loneliness. ”
I’m all for seeing a deeper exploration into the psyches of our beloved characters. I hope you are right about the opportunities that will be afforded everyone especially Peter. (He’s like a Wall Street insider with special knowledge.)
I think you are right about it’s going to be an awesome season. The writers should pull out all the stops if they want a season Five and I’m sure they will be at their creative best. Will one character make the ultimate sacrifice as a choice to end the season? Hopefully not your favorite Peter!
Yes Dave, you are correct. I am just ever so slightly obsessed by Fringe ….and a certain gorgeous peacoated gent!
But i do hope that the writers explore the character of Peter further. The current storyline is just ever so perfectly suited to head in this direction.
And you asked about the Observers ….well i avoided that in my initial repsonse for one very good reason! I have absolutely no idea how they will fit into this seasons storyline….or what their intentions are.
I mean, we have a few scant pieces of information at best, about them and this only intruiges me. It doesnt help me at all to develop a theory about them. What i find most fascinating about them is that they were introduced to us as people who observe but dont interfere. Yet we have seen them interfere ….and form attatchments to those they observe ie August & September.
The one thing i did wonder about was ….are they a creation of Walter? Seeing as he is one of the First People, did he create them to safeguard the ‘machine’ and its march through various timelines?
The Observers fascinate me and i hope we find out a lot more about their purpose in the Fringeverse this season. I have so many questions and no real way of answering them.
You asked for it Dave – here I go!
Great post Dave.
So many things to talk about. Where to start?
Let’s start with the…
1) Observers:
I totally agree it is time for the show to lay down a couple of cards about them. Not the whole hand but definitely a fair portion of it.
And the time to do it is so obviously during the next half of the first half of the season. If the show follows form the next four episodes Peter’s journey and the, now separate, journey of the rest of the cast are on a collision course.
A collision September has set in motion. Not just in this season but from the get go.
So his actions impact not only the main cast but the Observers as well. To keep them at a distance during the next stage of the season would be most disappointing. I have no worries about that happening though. Time and time again the Fringe show runners have demonstrated their mastery of story telling logic. They also consistently display an innate ability to put themselves in the mindset of the audience and provide answers to the pressing questions of the moments – for the important story points.
Addendum – I have a definite idea of what the Observers are all about but am not comfortable laying it in the miraculous event that I am right.
BUT….if you are curious on where I am drawing my speculation on what the Observers are all about check out:
1) Original Star Trek – Season 3 – The Empath
2) Childhood’s End by Arthur C. Clarke
Mix these two together and that is where my head is at about the Observers.
2) The Two Time Lines:
Totally convinced that the show runners are too clever by far to drop 3 seasons of character development and also take us through this season only to shunt everything from Season 4 to the Unfinished Story Thread Scrapyard.
Last season I specc’ed that Olivia would have to go into the Machine with Peter. And she got so, so close but I was most than satisfied with Olivia being the Lever. Peter and Olivia’s scene as they approached the Machine together was a highlight moment against a season full of them.
This season I am returning to that spec with a vengeance because my money is on the show runners merging the two Time Lines. Which Peter cannot do on his own. Someone is needed to represent the other Time Line. Who else but Olivia to fulfill that role?
While the evolution of the Peter and Olivia relationship played out quite well last season it was a little pedestrian as they just fell into it. Here lies an opportunity for both of them to actively struggle, especially Olivia, to regain what has being lost turning their re-union into something epic.
So many of the recent shows I have enjoyed ie Lost and Fringe – seem to be pulling inspiration from Stephen King’s Magnum Opus – The Dark Tower. If you have not read it, I cannot recommend it enough. The third volume, ‘The Wastelands,’ spends a good portion dealing with Time Line Convergence.
All I will say for Fringe is keep an eye out for bloody noses and/or headaches!
Oh, one more thing about the Time Lines. If the timelines merge the show runners have set themselves an elegant device from which they can pick and choose what elements they want to keep or drop. If the seasons to date are events that have been repeated over and over then what look like fragments ie Peter and Olivia not remembering each other meeting as children, could be recovered and made part of the newly merged Time Line.
Very clever!
So beyond those 2 main items I am open to whatever else the show will offer. Bring back some earlier season baddies. Have Walternate be the Puppet Master. Shape shift away!
Keep on telling great stories that honor the characters and blow our minds away.
It happened for a different reason, but nice call on the nose bleed!!!
I did ask for it didn’t I O.D. ? Thanks for responding. I hope the writers don’t let us down. As you said they seem to have a feel for their audience and a certain intuition for our expectations. Still, they love to throw us a curve ball now and then don’t they?
You’re killing me with tangential clues about your Observer theory. I am familiar with “Childhoods End” (precognition anyone?) but now you are throwing in STTOS “The Empath” I’m going to have download that on Itunes or something.
You have the same confidence as “runpaceyeun” when it comes to the original timelines and the convergence of the story lines. I hope our faith is rewarded but I also hope it comes as something we were not expecting.
Thanks for the great feed back, I’m off to fix my bloody nose and I seem to have a head ache too. (Hmmph, I wonder what is up with that?)
I have never done this before and I am definently not sure how this will go, but I thought I would try.
I have read this entire thread and I love the theories that everyone came up with.
The observers have fascinated me from the beginning as I am sure they have for everyone else. I liked the idea someone threw out that Walter created them. That makes sense especially if you think about everything they have said. Something that has always bothered me (and hopefully it hasnt already been answered and I just missed it), but why was the moment that September was discovered by Walternate so important that he just HAD to get closer. I mention it because that could be explained if Walter was the one that created them.
As for Walternate, I think he is more evil than ever. I mean, knowing that Peter died after his son was “kidnapped” by Walter is sure to make him even more evil. I still believe that he is more to blame for the destruction of the alternate universe than Walter. Maybe he thought that he was doing them more harm, but he was just hurting his own world.
One thing that I am really excited to learn about is when (or if) they are going to bring back David Robert Jones. I think he is not dead and he could even be the creator of the current shape shifters.
I am super excited about this season, though. I am right there with runpaceyrun, and may be slightly obsessed with our peacoated gent. Also, I am a psychology major, so the whole idea of living in a world where noone remembers you fascinates me. Anyway, I think that you guys are right on track with the converging timelines; Im just not so sure how it will work (but I guess that is why we love this show so much.)
Kristen, thanks for joining our discussion. A new voice is always welcome and you did a good job. I was hoping we’d get some insight into the Observers and Shape-shifters in last nights episode, “Novation”. There were some tantalizing clues but no major reveals so it ended up to be another tease. I’ll have to do a re-watch to see what else can be picked out.
My education is in psychology also so you and I will have to use that perspective to see what is motivating our favorite characters. Feel free to reply anytime!
It’s strange but I didn’t like Fringe at all when I first started watching it. Maybe it was simply a timing thing, maybe I just wasn’t ready to watch another supernatural show of this type, but I just didn’t like anything about it…well, except the acting. I have to give the actors that, they were doing a good job from episode one. But I was recently just messing around on dishonline (dot) com—this awesome free streaming site set-up by me employer, DISH Network—and saw Fringe and decided to give it another try. Maybe it’s me, maybe I was just ready to watch a show like this, but it seems to have really grown. I really enjoyed this episode and now feel like I’m going to have to go back and catch up. This is one of the things I love about dishonline, I may never have given Fringe another try if I hadn’t been surfing on there. It’s also saved me a few times when I forgot to set my DVR and missed an important episode of shows that I watch regularly. I definitely recommend checking it out.
I don’t think it’s just you. Fringe has grown tremendously. The first part of the first season (up to the point where Olivia says good-bye to John Scott) is IMO by far the weakest section of the series. I’m not entirely sure I would have stuck with it through all those episodes if I hadn’t been listening to The Fringe Podcast. But ever since that slow start Fringe has been improving constantly and has had amazing growth spurts between seasons.
I’d encourage you to go back and catch up from the beginning including those very early episodes. Although a little dull, they laid the foundation for the series and contain much essential information. I’ve learned that what seems like a weakness in Fringe often turns out to be a feature not a bug. One of my complaints during the early episodes was Anna Torv’s acting. I thought she was wooden and unemotional, just not up to the demands of the show. I now know better. It was her character who was unemotional and stiff. Torv’s acting skill is amazing. She has been given incredible acting challenges and has responded with a flawless performance.
If you enjoyed one of the recent Fringe episodes I am certain you will enjoy the entire series.
I’m glad you have the opportunity to catch up on Fringe Andrew I think you”l find if you start from the beginning how more complex the characters become over time. Take your time and enjoy! Thanks for the feedback.
I was actually got a bit worried during the fungi-episode but now everything feels so good again!
Nice to read all your interesting thoughts and theories above! I really hope they don’t go all Lost on us and make everyone suddenly remember in a lot of flashbacks…and we better not be in Peter’s purgatory 😉
Regarding the Observers, I believe they are the same in all universes/time lines, but it does feel a bit strange that they seem to be unable to change the past them selves, even though they know what will happen in the future and it was September who saved Peter in the lake. Aaahhhh, the paradox! I really want to know if there was a greater reason for not erasing Peter from time…apart from us wanting him back 🙂
I wonder if the new shape shifters are here because Peter wasn’t there to kill the old ones?
And by the way, does anyone think that if Olivia can tap into her abilities to see people from the other side, that she will be able to see the 2.0 shape shifters? How else will they spot them after they arrive? Or does that only work with normal people?
“your constant” thanks for the reply. Sometimes I worry also that Fringe will get lost in its own mythology much like Lost did. I usually don’t like tons of flashbacks either but I was actually hoping to get some flashbacks so we could see exactly where Peter was during his disappearance. What did he see if anything? Did he interact with the Observers or was he just pure energy?
You’re right about the Observers not taking a direct hand in everyone’s fate. I wonder why not? Is there some cosmic penalty for directly changing the time lines? If they pull everyone’s strings who is pulling theirs?
Just remembered that Olivia could see objects too, from the other side that is.
I am dying to see Walternate, I always want them to show how Walternate went from a broken hearted father who lost his child to a meglomanic empire builder…from a victim to doctor evil if you will. Great plot potential.
He’s getting conspicuous by his absence isn’t he Charlie? For the most part all of the Red Universe characters have been given short shrift. I suppose its because of the return of a certain Mr. Bishop. We’ll have to call it the “Peter Principle”.